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09 November 2009

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Jacob A

As someone who frequently uses Pandora, I wholeheartedly agree. I have several saved "stations" on Pandora, and although each time I go to the station, the playlist is slightly different, I find that I am listening to the same five or six artists each time. I love Pandora, but I think that in a lot of ways it has made me even lazier when it comes to music selection and has replaced the enjoyable task of exploring for music with the luxury of having it served on a silver platter, free of charge. Yet another compelling argument for the human interaction of radio over the technological aids of massive databases.

Eric Benson

While no Internet radio station will ever replace actively exploring music—going to concerts, analyzing recordings, studying artists—I actually think Pandora does a decent job at introducing listeners to new artist within the very narrow scope of its stations. My big lament is that the stations have been programmed to make such conservative choices, and, in cases like Klein's, have been programmed to make choices based on the wrong criteria. Many human DJs are no better than Pandora, but the best showcase a deep intelligence, sensitive ear, and coherent logic behind their selections. With all of the information that the Music Genome Project gathers about each song, I think Pandora could come much closer to this ideal. Maybe Pandora could introduce two station options: "regular," the current limited and often repetitive playlist, and "voyager," which would make bold-yet-calculated musical leaps (basically iTunes' Genius with a little more daring).

Andrew Durkin

This is a very interesting piece. I'd be curious to know about the constituency of music listeners that Pandora is attempting to serve (I haven't had a chance to listen to the interview, so I don't know if this was covered there). But I think they are assuming that most people are pretty happy hearing "more of the same." Why else would they tout their service as "stations that play only music you like"? You can't really be adventurous in your listening without the risk of failure, and if they're counting on you liking everything they come up with, well, where's the risk?

That in fact is why I have always been suspicious of services like Pandora, Genius, the Amazon recommendations system, etc. I do use them from time to time, but I kind of resent the way they seem designed to make the process of discovering music easier. That seems like a pitfall to me, because personally I have always enjoyed the hard work involved in the process of discovering new music through my own active research: methodically triangulating numerous sources (friends, libraries, reviews, DJs, etc.) and coming across some real gems in the process. While it's true that that approach is more time-consuming, involves a greater degree of risk, and a can occasionally yield a dud, it still feels like when I am actively participating in the my own music search, instead of having possibilities handed to me by an algorithm, the end result is a feeling of greater connection with the music I end up loving.

Of course, on the other hand, I understand the motivation behind services like Pandora, which I think would not be springing up if there was not exponentially more music in the world these days. It's a response to what Alvin Toffler called "overchoice" -- the dizzying array of new releases in any given week, month, year. So I get it, but I still avoid it.

Eric Benson

I really like the idea of Pandora as a response to "overchoice," because it exposes the paradox of multiplicity: as people are presented with more and more options, their selections become less and less adventurous. I completely agree that Pandora is after a musically risk-averse crowd, but as a filter for our overchoice I think it's a failure. A really interesting overchoice selector would be able to hop from genre to genre and make the kind of surprising, intuitive connections I talked about in the post. Pandora falls victim to the same overchoice paradox as most human listeners, sticking more closely to a particular niche when the plethora of music becomes too intimidating. There's certainly no replacement for the hard work of musical discovery, but as someone who often gets lost outside the borders of jazz, I'd love to see an Internet radio service that could show me ways to use the music I love to access the music I don't know.

il maestro

Here's one for you - and I say this in total seriousness - I often find that iTunes SHUFFLE fashions some of the most interesting and surprisingly brilliant playlists out there. I really wonder how it goes from song to song, but often I find that it will play 10 songs in a row that have a similar beginning - say starting on a soft, high note - and each one will come from a totally different genre. Sometimes it seems to have a really canny sense of humor, building up to a huge climax in a Mahler symphony and then replacing the promised arrival with some light piece of 1930's saloon music. I swear to god I'm not being facetious here - I often sit back and listen with rapt attention to what insights it will bring next. Just a thought.

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